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.s. history that have transformed the laws of the country and illuminated protections afforded to religion in the u.s. constitution. this interview, part of booktv's college series, was recorded at the university of pennsylvania in philadelphia. it's about 20 minutes. >> host: university of pennsylvania professor sarah gordon, "the spirit of the law" is her most recent book. what do you mean when you talk about the old constitutional world and the new constitutional world when it comes to religion? >> guest: well, for most of our nation's history, it was the states rather than federal government that controlled access to religious worship, the rights of religious organizations and so on. and in the early decades of the 20th century, that began to shift as the supreme court applied the national constitutional establishment and free exercise clauses of the first amendment against the states sort of centralizing debates about religion. >> host: but if the states had the control, we had it written into our constitution, freedom of religion. >> guest: we did, indeed. but the first amendment beg
and identify yourself. all right. >> yes. thank you. where is rule of law fit into this? >> well, rule of law can be a very important part of establishing legitimacy. because, as i said, it is very hard to win with a pure scorched-earth strategy. even when you're willing to be as brutal as the nazis, they still did not manage to pacify the balkans in world war two. even if you're willing to be as cruel as the soviets, they still did not manage to pass -- pacify afghanistan, even though there were willing to kill a million people. because the nazis and the soviets offered nothing positive. they offered no reason why the people of yugoslavia the people of afghanistan would support them. they offer nothing but death and desolation, and that ultimately was not a winning strategy. i think the people do want to see is the rule of law, not necessarily our law, but their law. that is something that i think people respond positively to. if they see that the soldiers around them are enforcing the law rather than preying upon them, rather than stealing from them, rather than ripping their daughters, if
hundreds of ordinances and state laws. most of which were unconstitutional. and he didn't know what to do. johnson dearly did not want to send troops, united states army troops, into alabama. his fear was that this would precipitate really a second period of reconstruction. just as the marchers were getting ready to head out in defiance of a court or order, wh hundreds of deputies and troopers waiting for them. fruition came to a very subtle problematic plan that johnson had been working on all night, and king had been listening to all night. johnson said, former -- johnson sent former governor, rely collins, who had taken the job to run the federal con sillation service, on a plane at 2:00 in the morning. he was picked up by assistant attorney general john dore, and was driven to the place where king was staying. king came out of the bedroom wearing a robe and two officials gave him a plan. and lyndon johnson had participated in thinking it up. they said, reverend king, we not only have been talking to you, we've been talking to governor wallace, and he doesn't want anymore bloodshed, an
with the a ministration. the pendant that was put into the law when there were set up which made them an independent voice cannot sell rights, it was really important. they should not try to be friendly with some particular administration. their job was to be a watchdog. a watchdog over with the demonstration was doing. and they learned that. and then when kennedy was assassinated and johnson was uprose civil-rights because of that the civil rights act of '64 and '65, actually enacted into law. >> of a point did you become aware in your life of the civil rights commission? >> i became aware of them when i was in the graduate program university. asked if i work on a project. >> sixty's, 70's. >> yes. i used some of the reports because the reports they did were very good reports. some of the historical research that i did. so i was very much aware of them. finally by the time the commission as to me since i've do legal and constitutional history file would read something of a history of abortion rights for them and how that all played out and what the history had been all the way back to england and so on.
-slaveholders and slaveholders alike were basically loyal law abiding citizen who were being tricked or anti-secession and minority of extremists. leaving slavery allowed would hopefully when i'm back. that's the expectation. but after a full year of war and despite lincoln effort to spare their property and spare their feelings, precious few slaveowners producing any active sympathy to the union or union policies. this lack of support is supposedly prounion slaveowners isolde marbury son in the light at the bad news that was around that time coming from the virginia battlefield of 1862. meanwhile, it is painfully clear that confederate armies were everywhere benefiting greatly from the forced labor performed for them by slaves, and placing artillery and this sketch comic you read to be sick and wounded, tending horses, cooking and cleaning, raising the push for the population and the army. more and more republican leaders now therefore concluded that attempting to fight the war without offending the end he was impossible. concluded on the contrary that union armies must become more aggressi
brothers and i grew up a long time ago, back in a time when certain places in our country had unfair laws that said it was right to keep black people separate because our skin was darker and our ancestors had been captured in far off africa and brought to america as slaves. ok. then we came to -- we come now to atlanta, georgia. the city in which we were growing up had those laws. because of those laws, my family rarely went to picture shows. in fact, to this very day, i don't recall ever seeing my father on a street car because of those laws and the indignity that went with them, daddy preferred keeping m.l., a.d., and me close to home where we would be protected. but we lived in a neighborhood in atlanta now called sweet arbor. and this is the street. you can see the cars. you haven't seen cars like that, have you? they don't have any like that now. ok. something like we used to call a t model ford and so tpot. ok. we lived there on the avenue. and on our side of the street, there were two-story frame houses, similar to the one we lived in. across the street crouched a line of one-story
government in his negotiations at the u.n. to codify the laws against coca. what was happening, was in constant medication with the company primary for the vice president, vice pays, who really got to feel the relationship between them over time. they just had a really interesting parlay between each other. so that's the beginning of an overview of the book. i want to pass the mic back and forth and i think we're going to have questions for each other. but that's the beginning. >> at evening. i'm at the super policies were around the trip policy there. i was once asked to check to a group of high school students in the literature resume and background and came up with the topic and you had to speak to the topic. this being a high school dance, they wanted here but sex, drugs and international relations. at that home-equity type these things together. it didn't dawn on me until the last minute and i realized the way to tell that story was through the story of columbus, who i considered the granddaddy of international drug traffickers. how you see the world depends where you say,
a criminal offense under international law. so while coca-cola was guaranteed the right to use coca as a flavoring in their own product, indigenous peoples across the andes were told that the traditional practice of coca leaf chewing and drinking coca tea would no longer be tolerated by the international community. and the u.s. was the architect of these treaties, um, certainly had support from other countries. today they have key allies in their effort to maintain the treaties such as russia, japan, sweden. but it really is a u.s. instrument. so coca, along with cannabis and opium, became the main targets of the 1961 convention. this historical error, as i like to call it, was basically justified by the 1950 report of the commission of inquiry on the coca leaf which, as sanho pointed out, is a totally racist document. it's totally, totally racist, has absolutely no scientific evidence. you'll be outraged as you read it, yet it is still the basis for the international drug control convention's treatment of coca. subsequent to that in the 1990s, the u.n. world health organization, th
're taught in. so the process could seem boring to the outsider but someone who loves law the way i do but the other half with interacting with the public, the supreme court gets visitors from around the world. i have met with school children as young as second grade. grammar school, high school, college, professiona l, not just law school by meet with students to be doctors, businessmen, and meet with groups of all kinds who meet with the justices to have a conversation judges from around the world that people read our pieces. but for each of us to learn from each other but i travel for law school, bar association and enjoy other types of groups but how what makes me so passionate for what i do i can get them to understand a little bit better. i am told they will be better citizens, more active citizens working in the community. we are busy on a lot of different cases. it is a microcosm. >>host: the most popular question submitted is how do the justices get along? [laughter] i know relations among you are deeply collegial. so i am wondering whether the conference rituals and how do yo
will not let robert go to the war. about the time of yorktown, she ultimately agrees to law her oldest son to help george with his correspondence. he goes, contracts a camp fever and dies as martha's rushing to camp to meet him. he leaves behind four young children. martha and george adopt the youngest two. >> i just wanted to make one comment. there was an interesting article in "the new york times" last week about mitterand and his mistress and mistress' daughter who is a writer, and the fact that at his funeral the mistress and the wife were next to each other, one arm around the other. it was just an interesting comment on how the french treat these kind of relationships. >> yeah. i think it's early on in the book i talk about is this unique to america, that the public is just fascinated with the sex scandal? you know, i think there's reason to be angry at bill clinton and reasons not to be angry at bill clinton over the monica lewinsky thing, but on one level you could say the economy's booming, we're at peace, you know? fantastic things are happening. and we're angry because a presid
laude a the highest price for the a director while attending yale law school she was editor of the law journal. she could have become a highly paid lawyer out of yale but she went right into public-service becoming the assistant district attorneys serving the people of new york. she served in almost all levels of the judicial system including private practice as well as years on the federal bench. 2009 president barack obama nominated in the u.s. senate confirmed sonia sotomayor as a 111th justice of the u.s. supreme court. io give you sonia sotomayor. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] spee net after a guide to washington in 2009, i net to a whole bunch of texans from everywhere in this large state. and i have been repeatedly invited to visit. and when you get a new job you are a little busy? so i have not been able to come. but it is a tribute to the warmth of the people that has been confirmed in a few hours i have been here already. that this is the third city on my tour. first washington now my home and the home of my heart comedy york and i've been back and forth a lot
was a graduate of harvard law school, a graduate 1948, worked at a major corporate law firm on old and major firm but he was really bored by the corporate law practice. he described it in his first book published in 1968 and it's not really an autobiography but there are some of the biographical chapters that are quite interesting. he says well, there's all these silent victories and muted defeats in these quiet conversations in these board rooms of the law firm and he wanted more action than that and he also loved politics so much that he had in some way, shape or form he had to do it full time so he walks away from the wall street law firm in early 1956, comes to washington, lives just a few blocks south of here somewhere near the russell building at a little apartment and he joins a very important anti-communist investigator named robert morris. his importance in the anti-communist investigations of the 1950's was apparently significant that whitaker chambers said in a letter around that time that morris accomplished more of what joe mccarthy is credited with in terms of useful and constructiv
was a graduate of harvard law school, graduated in 1948, worked in a major wall street law firm corporate law and known as chairman sterling on hold and major firm but he was bored by corporate law practice. he described in his first book in 1968 and not really an autobiography but a lot of chapters that are interesting. he said there were these silent victories and huge defeats and quiet conversations in board rooms of our law firm and he wanted more action than that. he also loved politics so much that he really had in some way, shape or form had to do it full time so he walks away from his wall street law firm in early 1956, comes to washington, lives a few blocks south of here, somewhere near the russell building in little apartment and joins a very important anti-communist investigator named robert morris. robert morris's importance in the anti-communist investigations of the 1950s was apparently so significant that whitaker chambers said to buckley in a letter around that time that morris really accomplished most of what joe mccarthy is credited with in terms of useful and constructive
are quite prominent for the freedom of the press. the student press law center all of which had his imprint on them. i want to say one last thing and then we are going to start talking about a story as many of you know. atlanta lost a great editor this week when gene patterson passed away down in st. pete, the editor of the atlanta constitution when jack was here and jean wants told the story about jack being a reporter, celebrated reporter when machine got a call from the publisher of "the los angeles times" and he said i'm thinking of the "los angeles times" wants to set up shop in alana. you have a big story brewing in the south. the civil rights story and the emerging south. and i need a reporter to set up the bureau in the "los angeles times." do you have any good reporters, and jean says you know mr. chairman we have a great reporters he purposely left off the name of jack nelson. he wasn't about to give him up. and a weak leader otas hired jack nelson that's how jack got to the "los angeles times" with great work here in alana. he brought investigative reporting to the civil rights s
the highest price for an undergraduate while attending yale law school. she was editor of the "yale law journal". she could have become a highly paid lawyer, but she went right into public service, becoming an assistant district attorney serving the people of new york. she served in almost all levels of the judicial system including private legal practice as well as years on the federal bench. in 2009, president barack obama nominated and the u.s. senate confirmed sonia sotomayor as the 111th justice of the u.s. supreme court. i give few sonia sotomayor.o [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] >> after i got to washington in 2009, i met a whole bunch of texans from everywhere in this large state and i have been repeatedly invited to visit, and you know when you get a new job you are a little bit -- so i haven't been able to come. but its attribute to the warmth of the people i met that have been confirmed in a few hours that i have been here already. this is the third city on my tour. i was first in washington, my new home. i went back to the home of my heart, new york,
and law partner was a guy named oscar pole sound. and cleveland spent most of his career in buffalo, the mayor and governor of you. he was a lawyer and he and oscar folsom were partners. they would drink and eat together, and it appears they also enjoyed the services of maria hallpin together. so, when maria hallpin gets pregnant, she has a son, and neither oscar foalson nor grover cleveland knew who the father was, and maria complicates things by naming the child oscar cleveland. so oscar folsom had a marriage and had a temperature. cleveland was a bachelor so kind of accepted the responsibility to pay for the child. here's the other part of the scandal. oscar folsom dies a few years later in a carriage accident. driving his carriage, recklessly thrown from it. breaks his neck. leaves a widow and this young girl francis. grover cleveland makes an enormous amount of money as his law partner, and cleveland takes care of the widow and the young girl, he pay for them. sets them up in a nice home for his best friend and former law partner. he becomes a godfather the little girl, she cal
justice and they could hide out beyond the arm of contemporary international law. and fifth al qaeda would serve, this also import from the notion of talibanistan, serve as a base certain for the conquest of afghanistan, and included in that is their notion of western pakistan and the name of global jihad. this is important because of the mythical origins about where al qaeda come from and how it it it builds up in afghanistan itself. i argue in the peace that these five essential elements of bin laden's al qaeda go through them were completely devastated by the rate and abbottabad and the passage of time has eroded by about 50% of the two. the notion of al qaeda as bringing that was free from retribution or have impunity from being attacked and captured, that was exploded literally in the manner in which and the finale of which that bin laden met his end. to most of us who followed jihadi websites, we saw in the traffic short after bin laden's death, sort of a period of two to three months that this notion of how could this happen was followed by the claim and desire to have revenge, a re
fundamental set of values and laws. and, um, before that i couldn't -- at first i'd pinch myself. i just couldn't get over the fact that there was no earlier use, and i used all the databases, and i actually got somebody the legislative reference service at the library of congress to actually back me up on it. can you guys find an earlier example of it? at first there was sort of a deep breath saying, oh, my god, this guy's nuts, but the idea was nobody could find it. then somebody said the founding fathers of harvard university or something, but it was never used as a scripter for the -- descriptor for the people who framed the constitution. it's interesting, also, that it really didn't take off until 1941 when a book was written called "founding fathers." but it was immediately adopted by both sides of the aisle although some of the early uses when you go back and track when it starts being used in the '20s more and more often in replacing the word "framers," it's often used as a negative. the founding fathers never meant for us to have pastel-colored postage stamps, or the founding fa
. the student press law center from all of which have jackson print on the. i want to say one last thing here, and then we're going to start talking to tell a little story. as many as you know, atlanta in the world lost a great attitude this week passed away down in st. pete. gene had been the editor of the atlanta constitution when jack was here. gene once told the story about jack being a reporter and a celebrated report whinging got a call from the publishers of the los angeles times. mr. chandler said, gene, i'm thinking that the los angeles times wants to set up shop in atlanta. you have a big story bring there in the south. the civil-rights story in the emerging south. onion report to staff that bureau in atlanta for the los angeles times. you have any good reporters? and jean says, you know, we have tons of reporters. he started listing all these reporters. he purposely left off the name of jack nelson. he was not about to give him up. a week later he hired jack nelson. did the los angeles times. he did great work here in atlanta. he brought investigative reporting to the civil rights
african-american civil rights lawyers who practiced law during the era of segregation and it's about their struggles with civil rights and racial identity. at it about the fact that to be an african-american civil rights lawyer in this era, argue in the book, is to be caught between the black and who it world. both blacks and whites want things of these lawyers and identify with these lawyers. so, to be this kind of a lawyer, thurgood marshall and people like him, was not just an african-american lawyer but member caught between the black and white world. >> host: how difficult for an african-american to become a lawyer at that time. >> guest: it's not difficult to become a lawyer. you have to good to law school like everybody everybody else, which does cost money, but it's difficult to be a lawyer because no african-american lawyer in this period is going to have white clients or very few of them will have white clients. most black people don't have money and if you have money and you're black, you hire a white lawyer, because white lawyers will be more effective in a segregated soc
across settings, that the same kind of decisionmaking and the same kind of culture and in-laws, rigidity, focus, consistency, is present in indonesia and equatorial begin knee and suburban maryland and the washington offices, because they have constructed a global system, and global policies that are so unified and so codified and transcribed down their channel of system, and everybody who work atlantis gets up in the morning and is reading out of the same playbook. almost like a military operation or a sports team that is exceptionally well organized around the same playbook. and i think they're kind of self-conscious about that military metaphor. they're unusual among corporations in that everyone who is at the top grew up together. if you took the top 100 publicly traded corporations in the united states and you chose the top 40 jobs at each of those corporations corporations and mapped who the people were, there would be a significant number of people who came from a competing company laterally, moved over, or came from another interest, and emcame in with reforming ideas. so morse c
on caffeine. >> my question, have you ever heard of campbell's law? >> no. >> pardon me, i would again. the greater the social, economic consequences of say with the statistics such as test scores, the more likely it is that the statistic itself will become corrupted. and that is corrupting the social processing it is intended to monitor spend time writing a short piece for "the wall street journal" to summarize some of the key findings. one of the headlines is smart managers will use statistics to evaluate employees, smart and playful figure how to manipulate those statistics. the one that is quite scary in the book from new york states where they simply decide that they would provide data on mortality rates or angioplasty, for cardiology. information is always good, it turned out that the new times are somewhat followed up and the high proportion, something like 78% of cardiologists have it delivered a change their behavior because of the evaluation. it was not to kill fewer people, it wasn't like boy, i killed a lot of history. today i'm not going to drink, right? [laughter] it was
that are not authorized by law. number six, congress routinely raids the social security trust fund to cover general revenue shortfalls. >> guest: looking at the appropriation bills and not done the last two years and say we appropriate x amount of money it is over $350 billion that which is not funded and it tells you there is the imbalance in congress had we appropriate funds we have not said we spend money on? that tells you the power of the benefit going back to what is the most important but is it more important to think what is the health of the country and the long run? to put yourself on the losing side of every argument coming have to work hard to explain yourself. >> members of congress to not have the opportunity to read the bills they vote on. >> one of the most secret and intimate -- ways is to report language only members of the committee can vote or amend. each year congress spends countless hours to debate the budget resolution and has no intention of keeping. number 10, congress circumvents its own budget limits to avoid public scrutiny by exploiting its own budget. >> guest: those
his eyes had been. so this comes back to yale law school. there he meets hillary rodham.
pay some poor kenyan for some? so it's been that kind of situation. >> host: you've been to law e, texas, kansas for your research on this and now you are in kenya when does the research part of it in the? >> guest: you just know when you get there. actually the research never ends. there is a point i say i am ready to start writing. i started this book the essentially the day after obama was elected president that's when i decided i'd got to do this book. i'd written a few pieces for "the washington post" before that so i had a basis of research particularly on his mother, and i think when i get home from this incredible journey i will have the kansas side of the story pretty much completed and that's where the story begins, it's a weaving these incredible worlds that helped create this person. >> host: who came up with the title? >> guest: i did. i was just bouncing around of africa and then i set out of africa come out of dalia, kansas, indonesia, chicago, out of this world. the book is two things it's the world that created obama and then how he recreate himself so i'm not sur
coolidge the law and order candidate. the phrase was rarely used before but it was the first time it was used as a political motto. again there are various people who i have to list is the best. there are couple of things that are in the book that are not american that came from overseas. israili is a real dark horse which is part of the political language and one that threw me a bit was the first person to use social security was winston churchill. in 1906 in an essay about modern society and what has to be done but he is the one who creates the term social security. there are some people that really do well with it. i think if you had a list of who were the most powerful presidents in terms of language i think you have -- frankly roosevelt has to be way up there. not only the phrases are but if he -- iffy he's talking about the supreme court insist some of these decisions of the supreme court if you ask me our iffy. next day the lead of the papers was in fact the president created the word today iffy and for five or six years anytime a columnist in the tribune said pardon me
and don't use language shutdown the conversation. i don't know if you're familiar with godwin's law, a tale that talks about dissolved into someone called a. there's no room for further discussion. i try to divulge that in the book in the way i approach people on a day-to-day basis. having said that, if i sent someone a century for deceitful, i confront that, at least as they see it. >> host: ron miller, and "sellout" talk about living in louisiana as one of the worst use of your life. >> guest: as a military brat, not being accustomed to a school where you had predominantly black student in the attitudes that came with it, here i am, a kid that dressed a certain way, spoke a certain way, had a certain respect for authority and put you into an environment where those things are not held in regard and i was ridiculed. i was harassed, teachers pet, talking like a white boy, all these things are not made. the irony was the only reason it didn't taste too likely kids at the school took a liking to me and defended me they are much bigger than anyone else. i might've been held back a coup
cases and study the legal system as i travel, travel to law school and to the bar association's i want to teach people about the wrong and why are so passionate about what i do. i can get them to understand the legal system a little bit better i hope they will become better citizens. they will work in the community and improving it for everyone. so we are busy on lots of different levels not just being in the courtroom. the hours the the lawyers have to argue cases before is a microcosm of the work that we've put in. >> the most popular question submitted was how did the justices get along. [laughter] i'm wondering how what had the conference rituals and the way you build relationships? >> it starts with respect. if you come into this process appreciating that every single justice on the court has the passion and the loved and constitution and the country that people mind that if you accept that as an operating truth which is, you understand that you can disagree. you understand that you can disagree respectfully and sometimes passionate world's we read the decisions because we really
instead of 2004, in 1989, as he is going off to boston, correct, the harvard law school. >> guest: yes. >> host: so to barack obama is finally going to make and appeared in your book. is this about halfway through the book? >> guest: not halfway. it's 164 pages into it. >> host: we get to hawaii. again, how did his parents meet? >> guest: well, his mother was 17. she was a freshman at the university of hawaii. >> host: i apologize to take it one step back. how did she get to hawaii? >> guest: she got to hawaii because her father, put in a furniture salesman in mercer island, or in seattle, washington, he got a job selling furniture in honolulu. and he was always looking for the next thing. principally moved west. from california to california. to seattle and then from seattle to hawaii. and so she came along with the family. she was only 17 and she graduate from high school, and actual public school in seattle post might only child. >> guest: and she was the only child. her name was stanley in. his name was stanley. i can tell you the story about some other time. in any case, so she is
was recorded by the sola police and then fell into the law enforcement hands which was actually what they thought at the time, the people in the civil rights movement fought. was the police making of the intrusions face of the fbi as their friends which relatively speaking the fbi agents on the ground. it's a complex period. you have a hostile political part of the fbi and a relatively friendly, crimefighting part of the fbi coexisting at a time when the movement is under constant danger, the various scattered movement throughout the south. c-span: "parting the waters," your first book was published in what your? >> guest: at the end of 1988. c-span: was the per code that you discussed? >> guest: 54 to 63. the year the brown decision, the year the supreme court unanimously said in effect their racial segregation and subornation is in conflict with the american constitution, kind of reading the challenge of the civil war period about slavery being in conflict with promise of equal citizenship. though that's 54, i'm going to 68 when that movement, built on that premise, largely dissolv
. but we are not in the business of making law. we also have an instinct for wanting to have access. so there's a distinction between, for example, supporting the concept of copyrights and whether they should last 85 years or longer. and what kind of access to digital capacities exist for books that are not being sold. these are really serious questions. because suddenly we have locked up in every library in america books that are not being sold that a lot of people would like to have access to, if it was free. and that's for digitization basically provides. and so to some degree people are going to have to come to grips with it. there's a secondary issue, by the way, in terms of the visual arts, where artists, families for extended periods of times have copyright in effect, powe powers, over great works of art. and how long that should last is a really powerful question. i will tell you as someone who came from a legislative background, that fairly narrow commercial interests really dictated a process during a particular period of time. i doubt if exactly the same decisions on extendin
into the international refugee law and policy announcing international office for refugees for women 1938 nobel peace prize. he year and to rally members of the non bolshevik russian diaspora and wished a russian could do something akin to lindbergh's recent flight across the atlantic. it was up to him to do and equivalent, to go around the world alone by bicycle. luckily he didn't have to do that. he departed shanghai on a battered secondhand bicycle but upgraded to a new bicycle in bangkok and the battered secondhand motorcycle in singapore. benefactor gave him a brand new aerial motorcycle in karachi plus a letter that guaranteed parts and assistance from aerial offices around the world. several in his public accounts thank the worldwide services of the ymca, shell oil and the firestone company and he depended on the global availability of gasoline, oil and food, the array of industrial goods and services that were now spread almost everywhere in the world. like the cycling parsees with the saudis in diaspora the encouragement of many white russians. there was his passport for which he was an unli
on well over 200 programs that are not authorized by law. and number six, congress routinely raids the social security trust fund to cover general revenue shortfalls. >> guest: well, if you look at the appropriation bills which have not been done the last two years because of the political dynamic that's going on and you go in and say we're appropriating x amount of money and then you look at how many programs -- it's actually up to over $350 billion now -- of programs that are funded that are not authorized by the congress, which tells you that there's an imbalance in congress is how do we appropriate funds for a program that we haven't said we should be spending money on? and it tells you the power of the appropriation committees and the power of pork or benefit going back to the states of what's most important. is it most important to actually look good in oklahoma by the amount of money that i can direct there? or is it more important to think in the long term what's, what's the health of our country going to be in the long run and how do we make those tough decisions? and poli
year we were talking about pipa and sopa, a law rushing through congress because the copper lobby is so strong which would have allowed, basically anyone in the world to shut down any internet web site. and thank god that was stopped. and it was stopped in part because it started here with members of congress holding a press conference saying this must be stopped. innovation is too important consumer access to the internet is too important, we have to do something about it. and now that sopa and pipa is dead, it's like name your kid adam. no one will do it ever again. >> host: gary shapiro, do you have an opinion on who you'd like to see replace julius genachowski at the fccing? >> chairman genachowski i called him the spectrum chairman yesterday. he has done a phenomenal job in defining his job as looking towards the future of america in the next 5-10 years and our spectrum needs. and he has pushed the ball forward. i am eager to not see him leave. the commission is there have galvanized as a body. of course, they disagree on some things, but he's united the commission with a mission,
on his legislative proposals. he should recommend a creative revision of the tax laws, the serious debt and debt reduction program. he should have congress enacted budget which has not occurred for the past three years. he might come up with a proposal for inventing public-private partnerships to improve infrastructure, including the electric grid. and, of course, continue to encourage energy independence. the resolution of the supply of unfilled housing should be tried but only if a reelected barack obama can somehow find a unique instrument required to work with this administration to move to the center and discover ways to reach meaningful compromise with the congresswoman to pass legislation that this country so desperately needs. although it's not a -- one can ask will he be reelected. historically rarely have presidents been real elected to a second term with popular ratings in the 40% level, which is where obama rests, but so does romney. interesting to note that only three of the 19 presidents elected to a second term as relatively less popularity ratings at the time of their re
hipaa and sopa about the law of rushing through congress because the lobbyists is so strong that would allow anyone in the world to shut down any internet web site by claiming copyright infringement and thank god that was. was stopped because it started here with members of congress holding a press conference saying this must be stopped. innovation is too important in consumer access to the internet is to import and we have to do some ring about. we will never have legislation like that again in congress. it's like name your kid adolf. no one will ever do it again. >> host: gary shapiro do you have an opinion on who you would like to replace julius genachowski at the fcc? >> guest: i call them the spectrum chairman yesterday. he is in a phenomenal job in defining his job as looking towards the future of america in the next five or 10 years in our spectrum is and he is pushed it forward. i'm eager to not see him leave. the commissioner there are has galvanized and of course we disagree in some things but not necessarily by political party more. he has united the commission. i think they
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with congress on his legislative proposal. he should recommend a creative revision of the tax law, serious debt reduction program. should encourage college to enact an annual budget that occurred for the past three years. he might come up with a proposal for inventive public or of a partnership to improve infrastructure, including the electric grid and of course continue to encourage any energy independence. the resolution of unsold houses should be sought, but all of this will occur only if a reelected barack obama could somehow find the unique temperament required to work with his administration, to move to the center and discover ways to reach meaningful compromise with a congress willing to pass legislation the country so desperately needs. what is not a subject of this paper, one can ask and will he be reelected? rarely have presidents been reelected to a second term as popularity ratings in the 40% level, which is where obama rests. so does romney. it's interesting to note only three of 19 presidents elected to a second term had relatively less popularity rating at the time of the reelect
that to happen. it was a concept of rule of law that was a human invention that radically improved the life expectancy. because being free is essential for productivity. what about the of pursuit of happiness? every betty aces did for somebody else's good. jefferson said each of us has a moral right to. not guarantee success that we have the right. world changing a dia when people have a right to their own life there naturally other -- the eyes of other people but in communist societies they are slaves to each other in each of us has a right for our moral happiness it is a very selfish idea to pursue your own happiness but it is selfish in the proper context we forget that not to pursue their selfish interests not to take advantage of other people but that is so destructive because nobody will trust you and if you try to manipulate other people you will do more damage to you or psychological damage to yourself. but it is not about some sacrifice. the question i asked the university students ask yourself or your children, you have as much right to your life as anybody else has to there's? of
law that eventually came apart in 1964. the student newspaper supported the marchers. we had some black students in chapel hill at that time and felt that if they couldn't eat in the same restaurants with all the rest of us, that budget right. and so all of these photographs were taken initially for either the student newspaper or for i served as a string err for some of the -- stringer for some of the local wire services and what not. today in publishing the book one of the purposes was to let some of today's generation who still live in chapel hill and are descendants from the people in photographs know and understand what their parents and grandparents did so that they can enjoy the same freedoms that in some manner they take for granted often today to be able to go into a lunch counter or wherever. >> host: so 1961-1964, and i'm guessing you can speak to the majority of these and you can recall the moment? we're looking at this one right here, group of folks in front of a merchant's association. >> guest: after having picketed for a number of months, they decided it was time t
this case happening is because it's grape politics and there is no danger of these laws passing. you can say whatever you want about them. but i think it is a serious question as to how you should restructure american energy policy. also imposing greater cost on it. i'm sure there would be delighted to hear that. i think they should be doing more to facilitate a national energy policy goal addressing the serious risks of global warming by moving as rapidly and economically as possible to the energy. but i don't think that stripping of manufacturing subsidies and then not reproducing those funds to achieve that national goal is very persuasive. at the the first thing to do is put a price of carbon. put it in a substantial a predictable way so that all companies to respond and we can get moving in direction we need to go. >> we have a few more minutes, and i have to get to canada. i found the canadian section later in the book interesting. very clear from what you write that prior to keystone xl and so was infuriated with the u.s. approach to canadian imports. the tar sands. as you and i both
as the concept of the rule of law. of the individual rights of capitalism. that was a human invention that radically improved the quality-of-life and life expectancy on this planet to get it was a big deal and it did that because being free is essential for human productivity how about the pursuit of happiness coming and this is an interesting thing. the figures of the enlightenment, everybody existed for somebody else's good, nobody existed for their own good, jefferson said an interesting thing each of us has a right to pursue our personal happiness, not a guaranteed success in that pursuit but we have the right. that was a role changing idea. creep the most successful and most benevolent society in history. people have a right to their own life. in a communist and socialist society at the end of the theater begins appearing each other because they are all slaves to each other and i agree with jefferson each of us has a right and the pursuit of our personal happiness and here's an interesting thing about that idea. it's a very selfish idea. you are pursuing your own personal happine
. and it is that dedication that laws me to eboo and the way he thinks. so, um, i'm going to apologize only once for being emotional about these things. [laughter] if i get choked up, you'll just say you can chalk it up to that. but one of the great moments in his book is his telling about the genesis moment for this book. so, eboo, would you? >> sure. so this is actually ramadan 2010. it's august of that year, so i'm waking up at around 4 a.m., and i'm having my last meal before doing my prayers that begin the time of fasting. and it's at that point that i like to, as muslims do, to raze more from the quran or realize from rumi or just additional time of centering and meditation. muslims believe god listens extra closely during those dawn hours. but instead if people remember what was happening in august of 2010, it was the crazy discourse we were having around cordoba house or the ground zero mosque. so i'm not reading rumi, i'm not reading the can quran, i'm literally on right-wing hate web site after right-wing hate web site trying to anticipate the storyline of the day because every day there are new
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